From: Donal Nolan <donal.nolan@law.ox.ac.uk>
To: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>
William Swadling <william.swadling@law.ox.ac.uk>
Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>
obligations@uwo.ca
Date: 18/06/2021 11:53:01
Subject: RE: SAAMCo safe

I would say that Gorris v Scott was remoteness…

 

’Scope of duty’ is relatively harmless if used as a synonym for ‘scope of risk/remoteness’ though ultimately even then it confuses, as Lord Hoffmann himself accepted in the end. Otherwise it’s just a question of framing the duty of care question appropriately (eg, did the D owe a duty of care to the C in respect of pure economic loss, acts of third parties etc), and the last thing you need is a separate concept to complicate the duty issue any further (though Bill may well be right that we need to think more carefully about how this works in assumed obligation cases).

 

I was really surprised that Khan v Meadows made it to the UKSC at all, as it was such a straightforward case. Forlornly, I had hoped that maybe Chester v Afshar was in their sights, and not SAAMCO (which is just the good old risk principle in action). I think it could have been dealt with quite briefly and without much fuss as Lords Burrows and Leggatt say. I reserve my judgment on the majority’s broader claims until I’ve digested them probably but at least they put the damage question damage front and centre, which is about time.

 

All best

 

Donal

 

 

 

From: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>
Sent: 18 June 2021 11:35
To: William Swadling <william.swadling@law.ox.ac.uk>; Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: SAAMCo safe

 

It also makes sense in statutory duty cases (as in the wonderful Gorris v Scott).

 

The majority are hamstrung by their attempt to create a template for the entire "tort of negligence" (sic). This purposive approach to construction of the duty doesn't really work in vanilla Donoghue v Stevenson cases (as AT's point about how what they said about Spartan Steel makes no sense).

 

But, they get it right for the right reasons. The rest is noise.

 

R


From: William Swadling <william.swadling@law.ox.ac.uk>
Sent: 18 June 2021 11:31
To: Robert Stevens <
robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>; Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>; obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: RE: SAAMCo safe

 

I’m no contract/tort lawyer, but would I be right in thinking that talk of the scope of duty only makes sense in the context of assumed obligations, which Spartan Steel certainly was not?

Bill

 

From: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>
Sent: 18 June 2021 11:28
To: Andrew Tettenborn <
a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: SAAMCo safe

 

Some of the looser things they say about issues that are not before them are probably best ignored.


From: Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>
Sent: 18 June 2021 11:26
To: Robert Stevens <
robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>; obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: SAAMCo safe

 

Not so sure if the majority in the MBS case at [8] are right to suggest that Spartan Steel is a scope of duty case. If loss of profits is outside the scope of the duty to take care not to damage my property, how come I can claim it if I suffer it as well as, and in consequence of, physical damage? Or am I being simply dense? -Andrew

On 18/06/2021 11:17, Robert Stevens wrote:

A couple of cases heard together on the SAAMCo principle. Both right I think, with strong majority judgments by Hodge and Sales, with Reed, Black and Kitchin signing up. Leggatt and Burrows give separate concurring judgments with different reasoning. 

 

The cases were pretty straightforward, IMO, if you'd just read Hoffmann.

 

Manchester BS v Meadows. 

 

Building Society seeks accounting advice from an accountant, who tell them that the wheeze of "hedging accounting" is the way to go. As a result of the advice the Society engages in some gambling on interest rate movements via swaps contracts. The exciting accounting procedure hid how badly losing the swaps were. The regulator informs the BS that it can't use this exciting new accounting method to avoid regulatory capital requirements. To extricate itself from its arrangements, the BS ends up closing out the swaps for £32m.

 

 

The easier one is Khan v Meadows.

 

Woman seeks advice on whether she carries the haemophilia gene. Doctor negligently advises that she does not. Child is born who, if the advice had not been given, would not have been, who has both haemophilia and autism. Is the doctor liable for the costs of the autism (it is accepted that they're liable for the costs of haemophilia)?

 

The majority ask: what is the purpose of the duty?

 

In Manchester BS [34] the purpose of the advice was to enable the Building Society to adopt its exciting new business model. The BS failed to understand that they couldn't adopt this because of the auditor's advice. So, when the regulators told them to draw their necks in, the loss was within the purpose of the duty.

 

Khan is really straightforward. Was the purpose of the duty assumed by the doctor (to advise about the haemophilia gene) there to protect against the costs of autism? No [68]

 

Lord Burrows (who cites many academics on this list) would have placed more emphasis on policy matters. Lord Leggatt would have placed more emphasis on the language of  causation. The majority don't agree with them.

 

The majority's approach seems to me to be clearly correct, but they add in an unfortunate six stage "test" for liability in negligence. You'd have thought they'd have learned their lesson with so many previous "tests" having gone down in flames after launch, but apparently not.

 

The reason there was a seven member panel was because it had been originally thought that SAAMCo was going to be challenged (one of the panel writes a textbook very critical of the rule introduced by Lord Hoffmann). This didn't happen, probably because the prospects for it being overturned at this point is zero. Good.

 

As a stylistic matter, I think it would be better if judges returned to just answering the question the facts before them pose. We have now had many cases and judgments attempting to give the "definitive" formulation of the SAAMCo principle (which is in fact relatively straightforward, as the majority make clear).

 

A welcome break from the grind of marking. (And the horror of being chair of examiners. Never see how the sausages are made).

 

Rob

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